is optimization going to dead ?

[Mr_Piongly]

Don't waste your time , change your job until you have time: are we close to finish ?

I would like to receive your opinion about the future of the optimization

I think that with the radio generation progress 1g,2g,3g,4g as you can observe the margin of human contribution is less important

For istance in 2g you have to plan for frequency plans, neighbours, handovers parameters tuning...

In 3g scrambling code planning is banal ....

In 4g probably no more neighbours planning will be necessary

You can analyze drive test, but in the future i think no more drive test will be necessary as much as now

With the advent of flexi nokia bts all the hardware is integrated, so no phisical unit distinct combiner , no phisical cu : no more necessity to discover faulty cu with technique like locking cu

The new hardware is just turn on and go without problems ....

In this period there is some work because we have swap projects all around, but after this ....?!

In country where operators will finish to install the new hardware I think that the big manager plan to fire a big portion of their workers, they don' t need more

Am I the bad cassandra ?

i don't want to be catastrophic, but this is my impression ,

I hope to be wrong, because i am involved in the optimization work

what do you think about ?

[Nyquist]

Hi Mr_Piongly.
Good discussion!!

Here my opinion:
New technologies and new mechanisms (e.g. SON) will help operators when integrating nodes, and also with a part of optimization in terms of neighbour cell definition for instance.
But, sites deployment never will be perfect, so I see optimizers always needed to do parametrization analysis (maybe drive test will be not needed anymore), although much lower resorces than we know nowdays.

Nyquist
:D

[lejun]

Don't waste your time , change your job until you have time: are we close to finish ?

I would like to receive your opinion about the future of the optimization

I think that with the radio generation progress 1g,2g,3g,4g as you can observe the margin of human contribution is less important

For istance in 2g you have to plan for frequency plans, neighbours, handovers parameters tuning...

In 3g scrambling code planning is banal ....

In 4g probably no more neighbours planning will be necessary

You can analyze drive test, but in the future i think no more drive test will be necessary as much as now

With the advent of flexi nokia bts all the hardware is integrated, so no phisical unit distinct combiner , no phisical cu : no more necessity to discover faulty cu with technique like locking cu

The new hardware is just turn on and go without problems ....

In this period there is some work because we have swap projects all around, but after this ....?!

In country where operators will finish to install the new hardware I think that the big manager plan to fire a big portion of their workers, they don' t need more

Am I the bad cassandra ?

i don't want to be catastrophic, but this is my impression ,

I hope to be wrong, because i am involved in the optimization work

what do you think about ?
Hi friend,

In 3G, traffic change (especially when the customer demands change), we need to optimize the networks.

And many things change we also need to change ourselfs!:D

Regards
Regards

[mohyedeen_alkousy]

you are absolutely right about your Opinion
The Optimizer should be open minded and accept learning other skills like Programming , Planning and dimensioning ... or any other skills close to the field of Telecom

[power2010]

You are right but here, in my opinion, not before 20 years.

[MINTO]

what i think

after 4-5 yrs , 90% of networks will stop deploying new NE's, there will be only software upgrades, even by that time we will have batter antenna's ( possible to change direction remotely), so very less opti work required & only few planners will be required for a big network.

1. In future there will be only 15-20 % workforce will be required for RF of total what we have today.

2. There will be small requirements of optimization & for that operators will not need more then 4-5 yrs of exp person ( means they dont have to pay more).

3. Future is Wireless applications ( Mix of RF, IP, Product), so its batter to be allrounder.

[Kirill Kucherov]

In my opinion, transport planning and optimisation will be still required. And I cannot find now what tool can replace a human. On the other hand, it can be outsourced to other company or simply leased from a provider. Anyway, human must plan parameters, capacities and routes.

[Darko]

Interesting subject... Actually this is something I have been thinking a lot lately.
In one part you are right. The networks are becoming more and more complex and vendors are forced to develop new (self)optimization solutions.
But, this is not going to happen over night because no matter how advanced those SON or self-integration solutions are, you will always need engineers to work on specific problems. Computer programs can't cover everything :p


My idea is that every optimizer should start developing radio planning/design and dimensioning skills because although there are powerful software tools available for this type of job, operators and vendors will always need radio planners (who will use all those fancy new tools :) )

Future of mobile radio engineering is in "multiservice" !!!

Don't forget! You can't find technical field where you will "drop the anchor" and settle for 20 years!!! We have to accept that important aspect of our job is the process of knowledge and competence evolution!
Just look what programmers working with Microsoft technologies think after Microsoft announced that future is in JavaScipt and HTML!!! :D Well they are crazy like hell :@

Technologies come and go, but engineers are still here !!! We just need to know how to adapt :)

Thank you for opening this subject, because we need more discussions like this.

Darko

[dropinocean]

in my opinion, The SON, self integrated solution or whatever it is, also made by Human that still have possibility to have some erorr. So it still need our role to rectify any problem that can't be solved by them.

cheers..

[prodigy]

In my opinion, I dont think so, because always will be needed a human been to install, sustain, fix, improve or use any tool (at least in the next decades). As another member said, we need to adapt and be prepared.
Another thing is that, at least the operators, are always short of resources... human resources!, and they always need people.
In the other hand, the networks are continuosly growing, and the more they grow, more people and optimization is needed, no matter if the main optimization tool is your hand and a pencil as 15 years ago, or Mapinfo as 10 or a SON, always need a human brain behind. Even with the rise of new technologies, the old GSM, for example, is still alive and need more and more optimization because the 2G traffic is stable or increased (at least in the networks that i work) and the resources decreasing.
I think that another thing to take care, maybe more that the fact if will be optimization jobs or not in the near future, is the rates! (that's right, I'm a damn mercenary :lol

[indoor]

Given that optimisation only came more important than planning about 7 years ago. (this is the time frame in the UK anyway) I think there is plenty of time left to make some money. Also as previously mentioned there's lots to go wrong and that should keep people busy. Good as computers are they can't think laterally so for the good optimisation people there will always be jobs. It's the people who are just doing the monkey see monkey do stuff that need to get more skilled as this is the work that will be automated.

[aslsh21]

Don't waste your time , change your job until you have time: are we close to finish ?

I would like to receive your opinion about the future of the optimization

I think that with the radio generation progress 1g,2g,3g,4g as you can observe the margin of human contribution is less important

For istance in 2g you have to plan for frequency plans, neighbours, handovers parameters tuning...

In 3g scrambling code planning is banal ....

In 4g probably no more neighbours planning will be necessary

You can analyze drive test, but in the future i think no more drive test will be necessary as much as now

With the advent of flexi nokia bts all the hardware is integrated, so no phisical unit distinct combiner , no phisical cu : no more necessity to discover faulty cu with technique like locking cu

The new hardware is just turn on and go without problems ....

In this period there is some work because we have swap projects all around, but after this ....?!

In country where operators will finish to install the new hardware I think that the big manager plan to fire a big portion of their workers, they don' t need more

Am I the bad cassandra ?

i don't want to be catastrophic, but this is my impression ,

I hope to be wrong, because i am involved in the optimization work

what do you think about ?

i hope you are wrong , god be with us

[tukangoptim]

"optimization is going to dead ?" dont think so.
jobs still there, with more "experts" are coming everyday from all over the world..this is the reality that i can see at the moment.
and as mr Darwin premise, some optimization engineers must take early retirement.
but let's no worry, if no more job at optim, we can apply for planning :lol

[tthach830]

I would think so in about 10 years when we rollout 5G, it will be a plug-n-play network.

I am curious what opportunity awaits us.


Don't waste your time , change your job until you have time: are we close to finish ?

I would like to receive your opinion about the future of the optimization

I think that with the radio generation progress 1g,2g,3g,4g as you can observe the margin of human contribution is less important

For istance in 2g you have to plan for frequency plans, neighbours, handovers parameters tuning...

In 3g scrambling code planning is banal ....

In 4g probably no more neighbours planning will be necessary

You can analyze drive test, but in the future i think no more drive test will be necessary as much as now

With the advent of flexi nokia bts all the hardware is integrated, so no phisical unit distinct combiner , no phisical cu : no more necessity to discover faulty cu with technique like locking cu

The new hardware is just turn on and go without problems ....

In this period there is some work because we have swap projects all around, but after this ....?!

In country where operators will finish to install the new hardware I think that the big manager plan to fire a big portion of their workers, they don' t need more

Am I the bad cassandra ?

i don't want to be catastrophic, but this is my impression ,

I hope to be wrong, because i am involved in the optimization work

what do you think about ?

[telwind]

i dont think any 'perfect network' will be in future. Moreever, there will be more and more demands and challenges with this world. Retuning is always needed.

[T_ADD]

I would couldn't agree less. SON as is, is very limited to a platform mostly. Optimization is not going to stop in any time soon. Just imagine, if 1G is still working right now, and it actually is, then when there will be many SON networks around there will still be many 2G and 3G ones too. They will need optimization as usual.

So its going to keep going on for a couple of decades (or one) at least.

[salamanda1969]

Agree with many of yr points. In the future,
-High contractor rates difficult to sustain in future, downward price pressure from large population countries (many hardworking n cheaper engineers)
- RF engineers roles no longer fixed. In my job, we do RF, RAN, project mgmt, sales pitching,politicking, manage junior engineers, write macros, write meeting minutes, etc. Who knows what's next ? Gloves n toilet duck cleaner.
- in future, likely a small group of specialists will get all the 'why this, why that' email questions. The rest of us become more generalists (or army general)
- each engineer will hv many tools n LCD monitors. Imagine engineers working at a stockbroking company... Now, we just call it managed services.
- compared to engineers inside factory n building sites, we still hv better working conditions .. unless nobody wants to talk anymone, n just Facebook each other :)

[Darko]

Somehow your description invokes "Blade Runner atmosphere" feelings in me :funk:
That is true. Before 2050 there will be 9 billion people around us :)
I think many of them will be saying: Wooow how good was life in 2012. when every RF engineer could find a job and still make some money :p

Here is something from US government report:
The 30 fastest-growing occupations, 2008-2018
Table 7. The 30 fastest-growing occupations, 2008-18 (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/ecopro.t07.htm)

... first place goes to ... biomedical engineering... :(

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Description :

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Agree with many of yr points. In the future,
-High contractor rates difficult to sustain in future, downward price pressure from large population countries (many hardworking n cheaper engineers)
- RF engineers roles no longer fixed. In my job, we do RF, RAN, project mgmt, sales pitching,politicking, manage junior engineers, write macros, write meeting minutes, etc. Who knows what's next ? Gloves n toilet duck cleaner.
- in future, likely a small group of specialists will get all the 'why this, why that' email questions. The rest of us become more generalists (or army general)
- each engineer will hv many tools n LCD monitors. Imagine engineers working at a stockbroking company... Now, we just call it managed services.
- compared to engineers inside factory n building sites, we still hv better working conditions .. unless nobody wants to talk anymone, n just Facebook each other :)

[T_ADD]

Agree with many of yr points. In the future,
-High contractor rates difficult to sustain in future, downward price pressure from large population countries (many hardworking n cheaper engineers)
- RF engineers roles no longer fixed. In my job, we do RF, RAN, project mgmt, sales pitching,politicking, manage junior engineers, write macros, write meeting minutes, etc. Who knows what's next ? Gloves n toilet duck cleaner.
- in future, likely a small group of specialists will get all the 'why this, why that' email questions. The rest of us become more generalists (or army general)
- each engineer will hv many tools n LCD monitors. Imagine engineers working at a stockbroking company... Now, we just call it managed services.
- compared to engineers inside factory n building sites, we still hv better working conditions .. unless nobody wants to talk anymone, n just Facebook each other :)

Wow! do you really have to write macros too? (I presume for excel) :)

BTW, I also do OAM, RNO (mostly RF parameter audit), scripting, BSC works and project works (new sites) too.

[prodigy]

Wow! do you really have to write macros too? (I presume for excel) :)

BTW, I also do OAM, RNO (mostly RF parameter audit), scripting, BSC works and project works (new sites) too.


Perhaps if optimization going to disappear, we can try with Vlookup & Powerpoint Engineers, I supposed that you guys also have lot of experiece with that (too much!):lol

[justdream]

For sure, everything in the world is going to be Automated but no way Human be replaced
We just need to develop our skills and thinking to match with srrounding environment :p