propagation delay ?

[bigorbi]

Hello guys.

I need to know how to run pmpropagation delay on E******* OSS. I don't know where can i run this parameter and save the results for example for 1 hour. So i can see which cells are overshooting or not.

Could any of you help me ? Thanks in advance.

[sonerss]

hi bigorbi

you can reach pmpropagationdelay counter in nodeb status. Connect the nodeb via moshell and give a "pmr" command. then choose propagation report.

BR


Hello guys.

I need to know how to run pmpropagation delay on E******* OSS. I don't know where can i run this parameter and save the results for example for 1 hour. So i can see which cells are overshooting or not.

Could any of you help me ? Thanks in advance.

[bigorbi]

hi bigorbi

you can reach pmpropagationdelay counter in nodeb status. Connect the nodeb via moshell and give a "pmr" command. then choose propagation report.

BR

yes i know pmr command but i couldn't find propagation report there.let me check again.

[bigorbi]

when i write pmr command after connecting rbs, these options are coming to the screen ;


1) Carrier Average Rssi and Transmitted Power
2) Downlink RadioLink Setup Success Rate
3) Uplink RadioLink Setup Success Rate
4) HSPA Throughput
5) HSDPA Congestion
6) HSDPA CQI total
7) HSDPA CQI rop by rop
8) HsDschResources AckNack rop by rop
9) HSDPA Measurements IubDataStreams
10) HSDPA Frame problems
11) HSDPA Usage rop by rop
12) HSDPA Codes rop by rop
13) HSDPA Power rop by rop
14) HSDPA Throughput per SPIxx
15) HSDPA Throughput per SPIxx-PQ
16) HSDPA Iub Flow Control
17) Total EUL Throughput and Efficency Factors
18) EUL Throughput and Efficency Factors rop by rop
19) Total EUL stuff
20) EUL stuff rop by rop
21) Total IBHOs and rejects
22) IBHOs and rejects rop by rop
23) Total UplinkBaseBandPool SetupFailures
24) Total UplinkBaseBandPool SetupFailures rop by rop
25) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool Allocation Rejects
26) DownlinkBaseBandPool Allocation Rejects rop by rop
27) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupAttempts
28) DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupAttempts rop by rop
29) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupFailures
30) DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupFailures rop by rop
31) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool RlAdditionFailures
32) DownlinkBaseBandPool RlAdditionFailures rop by rop


i couldn't find anything about propagation between these options.

[sonerss]

Hımm

I checked my pmr command.. and we have got a report which name is "Carrier Prach Total" and this report gives you propagationdelay values..

1) Carrier Average Rssi and Transmitted Power
2) Carrier Prach Total
3) Carrier Prach per rop
4) Downlink RadioLink Setup Success Rate
5) Uplink RadioLink Setup Success Rate
6) HSPA Throughput
7) HSDPA Congestion
8) HSDPA CQI total
9) HSDPA CQI rop by rop
10) HsDschResources AckNack rop by rop
11) HSDPA Measurements IubDataStreams
12) HSDPA Frame problems
13) HSDPA Usage rop by rop
14) HSDPA Codes rop by rop
15) HSDPA Power rop by rop
16) HSDPA Throughput per SPIxx
17) HSDPA Throughput per SPIxx-PQ
18) HSDPA Iub Flow Control
19) Total EUL Throughput and Efficency Factors
20) EUL Throughput and Efficency Factors rop by rop
21) Total EUL stuff
22) EUL stuff rop by rop
23) Total IBHOs and rejects
24) IBHOs and rejects rop by rop
25) Total UplinkBaseBandPool SetupFailures
26) Total UplinkBaseBandPool SetupFailures rop by rop
27) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool Allocation Rejects
28) DownlinkBaseBandPool Allocation Rejects rop by rop
29) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupAttempts
30) DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupAttempts rop by rop
31) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupFailures
32) DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupFailures rop by rop
33) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool RlAdditionFailures
34) DownlinkBaseBandPool RlAdditionFailures rop by rop


Start Time: 2011-03-18 07:30:00 End Time: 2011-03-18 08:15:00
Object AvgPropDelay AvgRxPreambleSir ReceivedBlockSuccRatio pmNoPreambleFalseDetection pmSuccReceivedBlocks pmUnsuccReceivedBlocks
Sector=1,Carrier=1 1.5 -16.4 98.1 19 1778 34
Sector=1,Carrier=2 0.7 -16.7 99.5 9 2930 15
Sector=2,Carrier=1 2.8 -15.8 97.0 109 5239 161
Sector=2,Carrier=2 3.8 -15.2 92.8 148 3423 267
Sector=3,Carrier=1 4.3 -16.4 98.1 63 5381 104
Sector=3,Carrier=2 4.1 -18.1 99.7 42 27326 79

but you can one more way to reach propagation values

in nodeb layer you can give this command

pmx . pmPropagationDelay -m 1

This command gives you propagationdelay samples

BR

Im waiting your thanks and rep also :D


when i write pmr command after connecting rbs, these options are coming to the screen ;


1) Carrier Average Rssi and Transmitted Power
2) Downlink RadioLink Setup Success Rate
3) Uplink RadioLink Setup Success Rate
4) HSPA Throughput
5) HSDPA Congestion
6) HSDPA CQI total
7) HSDPA CQI rop by rop
8) HsDschResources AckNack rop by rop
9) HSDPA Measurements IubDataStreams
10) HSDPA Frame problems
11) HSDPA Usage rop by rop
12) HSDPA Codes rop by rop
13) HSDPA Power rop by rop
14) HSDPA Throughput per SPIxx
15) HSDPA Throughput per SPIxx-PQ
16) HSDPA Iub Flow Control
17) Total EUL Throughput and Efficency Factors
18) EUL Throughput and Efficency Factors rop by rop
19) Total EUL stuff
20) EUL stuff rop by rop
21) Total IBHOs and rejects
22) IBHOs and rejects rop by rop
23) Total UplinkBaseBandPool SetupFailures
24) Total UplinkBaseBandPool SetupFailures rop by rop
25) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool Allocation Rejects
26) DownlinkBaseBandPool Allocation Rejects rop by rop
27) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupAttempts
28) DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupAttempts rop by rop
29) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupFailures
30) DownlinkBaseBandPool RlSetupFailures rop by rop
31) Total DownlinkBaseBandPool RlAdditionFailures
32) DownlinkBaseBandPool RlAdditionFailures rop by rop


i couldn't find anything about propagation between these options.

[bigorbi]

but you can one more way to reach propagation values

in nodeb layer you can give this command

pmx . pmPropagationDelay -m 1

This command gives you propagationdelay samples

BR

Im waiting your thanks and rep also :D

thanks for your answer soner but i want to ask you one more thing,

with this command for example i want to take 2 hour propagation delay. it gives me in 15 min rops and it doesn't sum them. For example;

7.00 - 7.15
447,356,789,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
7.15-7.30
478,358,467,35,0,0,0,7,0,0,0,0,0,0

so from 7.00 to 7.30 actual values are the sum of these values right ? can't i arrange that ROP period to 2 hours instead of 15 mins? is there any way to do that ? :D

[sonerss]

No way man

moshell gives you value always 15min. rops.. you can prepare this value for using excel(maybe you can write a macro ;) )... but you can get 2 hours value for using "-m 2"

BR


thanks for your answer soner but i want to ask you one more thing,

with this command for example i want to take 2 hour propagation delay. it gives me in 15 min rops and it doesn't sum them. For example;

7.00 - 7.15
447,356,789,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
7.15-7.30
478,358,467,35,0,0,0,7,0,0,0,0,0,0

so from 7.00 to 7.30 actual values are the sum of these values right ? can't i arrange that ROP period to 2 hours instead of 15 mins? is there any way to do that ? :D

Im waiting your thanks and rep also

[tsiz]

thanks for your answer soner but i want to ask you one more thing,

with this command for example i want to take 2 hour propagation delay. it gives me in 15 min rops and it doesn't sum them. For example;

7.00 - 7.15
447,356,789,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
7.15-7.30
478,358,467,35,0,0,0,7,0,0,0,0,0,0

so from 7.00 to 7.30 actual values are the sum of these values right ? can't i arrange that ROP period to 2 hours instead of 15 mins? is there any way to do that ? :D

Just do pmx . pmPropagationDelay -m 2 -a

This will give you an aggregation for 2 hours.

Why don't you run a WMRR. Goto performance/RNO/WMRR and select the cells and the time you want to run.

[electron]

Just do pmx . pmPropagationDelay -m 2 -a

This will give you an aggregation for 2 hours.

Why don't you run a WMRR. Goto performance/RNO/WMRR and select the cells and the time you want to run.


WMRR can not give us serving area distance of each cell same as the values for PropagationDelay am i right?


It it is wrong could you please explain haw we can do it?


@Sonerss:


With PMR command in RNC i could not see the option that you have posted here i do not know what is the differences in your output and mine !


Thanks


Thanks

[sonerss]

Hi

So how can we get all cells pmPropagationDelay values from RNC??

BR


Just do pmx . pmPropagationDelay -m 2 -a

This will give you an aggregation for 2 hours.

Why don't you run a WMRR. Goto performance/RNO/WMRR and select the cells and the time you want to run.

[electron]

Hi

So how can we get all cells pmPropagationDelay values from RNC??

BR

Use mobatch and fetch data from each nodeB

[bigorbi]

With PMR command in RNC i could not see the option that you have posted here i do not know what is the differences in your output and mine !


Thanks


Thanks

just create 2 txt files

1 is for all the ip addresses of nodeBs.

second one is for the propagation delay command like this :

lt all
pmx . pmpropagationdelay -m 1
rbs
q

save these 2 files and copy to your oss folder (maybe give names like ip.txt and propdelay.txt)...
the path is like this --> /home/yourossname

and then open terminal from oss and write this command :

mobatch ip.txt propdelay.txt


ip.txt should be like this be careful :

10.92.9.12
10.8.13.14
10.8.15.16
.
.
.
.
.



i hope i can explain it clearly.

[electron]

just create 2 txt files

1 is for all the ip addresses of nodeBs.

second one is for the propagation delay command like this :

lt all
pmx . pmpropagationdelay -m 1
rbs
q

save these 2 files and copy to your oss folder (maybe give names like ip.txt and propdelay.txt)...
the path is like this --> /home/yourossname

and then open terminal from oss and write this command :

mobatch ip.txt propdelay.txt


ip.txt should be like this be careful :

10.92.9.12
10.8.13.14
10.8.15.16
.
.
.
.
.



i hope i can explain it clearly.

Thanks for your replay . Yes this is normal way and is usual every where but if you consider more to Sonners post he said in RNC level in PMR command we have such kind of option which will show propagationdelay for each cell !

[bigorbi]

Thanks for your replay . Yes this is normal way and is usual every where but if you consider more to Sonners post he said in RNC level in PMR command we have such kind of option which will show propagationdelay for each cell !

sorry i have quoted the wrong person. i though i quote soner :)

and i didn't see your answer we said the same things. and i think this was the answer that soner want because if anything i want to learn about all nodeBs i always use mobatch command. i don't know or hear any other ways about this.

[electron]

Guys i think now Propagationdelay counter and its usage is clear for every body lets talk about WMRR and its usage in daily life. Actually i did not see anybody to use WMRR for optimization tasks i mean it is not so applied in daily tasks. what is your experiences and in which cases and how much you are using it ?

Please share your experience


Thanks

[sonerss]

@bigorbi and electron

Thanks for the reply. But I have already known this solution. I want to learn how can we get it all cells pmPropagationDelay in RNC level. I think we cant do this in RNC level cos pmPropagationDelay counter is a Nodeb counter not RNC counter( you can find in alex also ) :( So that.. I'll use bigorbi's solution. Maybe tsiz has got another idea to solution this problem..

BR


sorry i have quoted the wrong person. i though i quote soner :)

and i didn't see your answer we said the same things. and i think this was the answer that soner want because if anything i want to learn about all nodeBs i always use mobatch command. i don't know or hear any other ways about this.


Thanks for your replay . Yes this is normal way and is usual every where but if you consider more to Sonners post he said in RNC level in PMR command we have such kind of option which will show propagationdelay for each cell !


Just do pmx . pmPropagationDelay -m 2 -a

This will give you an aggregation for 2 hours.

Why don't you run a WMRR. Goto performance/RNO/WMRR and select the cells and the time you want to run.

[bigorbi]

@bigorbi and electron

Thanks for the reply. But I have already known this solution. I want to learn how can we get it all cells pmPropagationDelay in RNC level. I think we cant do this in RNC level cos pmPropagationDelay counter is a Nodeb counter not RNC counter( you can find in alex also ) :( So that.. I'll use bigorbi's solution. Maybe tsiz has got another idea to solution this problem..

BR

i didn't undestand why do you need this counter in RNC level ?
do you want to know that is there any other alternative solution to get pmpropagationdelay information from all nodeBs ?

[sonerss]

One more question to bigorbi and electron

Cant you reach the propagationdelay values to use Business Obj or Optima??

BR

[bigorbi]

One more question to bigorbi and electron

Cant you reach the propagationdelay values to use Business Obj or Optima??

BR

actually i didn't check from business obj. i'll look for it when i start to work again. but you need to wait like 4 days : )

[Darko]

Why do you need this counter at RNC level ? I don't see any practical value for doing this. :confused:

You can collect propagationdelay counter (RBS level) in BO:
http://i54.tinypic.com/34pcjzq.jpg

[Darko]

Guys i think now Propagationdelay counter and its usage is clear for every body lets talk about WMRR and its usage in daily life. Actually i did not see anybody to use WMRR for optimization tasks i mean it is not so applied in daily tasks. what is your experiences and in which cases and how much you are using it ?

Please share your experience


Thanks

Hi electron. Well I don't see to many people using WMRR. I believe it is because people rather analyze GPEH ... i guess :o

[electron]

One more question to bigorbi and electron

Cant you reach the propagationdelay values to use Business Obj or Optima??

BR

Yes there is way in BO also but i am comfort in NodeB level it is easy.

@Darko:

Yes you are write but you know man i forum also there is no warm post about GPEH and how to analysis any practical presentation,... Lets continue this post for Propagationdelay, WMRR, GPEH, WNCS which is very important in daily optimization life



Thanks

[tsiz]

WMRR can not give us serving area distance of each cell same as the values for PropagationDelay am i right?


It it is wrong could you please explain haw we can do it?


@Sonerss:


With PMR command in RNC i could not see the option that you have posted here i do not know what is the differences in your output and mine !


Thanks


Thanks

Yes..WMRR will not give you any actual propagation delay. If you have any tool or macro that would load these WMRR files and give you the output would be great.

[electron]

Yes..WMRR will not give you any actual propagation delay. If you have any tool or macro that would load these WMRR files and give you the output would be great.

Actually i do not know when and where and for which purpose in can use WMRR. As per documents i know some thing but practically i do not know in cell level how i can use it. I just used TxPower graph in some cases to guess about external interference or path balance for other cases i do not know

[electron]

Why do you need this counter at RNC level ? I don't see any practical value for doing this. :confused:

You can collect propagationdelay counter (RBS level) in BO:
http://i54.tinypic.com/34pcjzq.jpg

Do you have a prepared BO report for PropagationDelay? Could you please share it?


Thanks

[MCBEP]

How can we calculate distance from propagation delay distribution. what does propagationdelay 0 give to us?What is the meaning of Max propagation delay? if our cell radius is 35km ,and propagationdelay 0 lets say 8000?what is the meaning of this? is it means there is 8000 sample that delays is longer or equal than 2562*0.26 us ?

[stilloboy]

@all

The attached file is a macro that can be used to graphical display the propagation delay values. Also attached is an example of its usage. Finally, the third file attached is a list of useful OSS commands (E///).

[stilloboy]

@all

The attached file is a macro that can be used to graphical display the propagation delay values. Also attached is an example of its usage. Finally, the third file attached is a list of useful OSS commands (E///).

This is a useful guide on using the previously attached propagation-delay macro. Hope you enjoy it...

[fon909]

How to identify on which site to run this command;

pmx . pmPropagationDelay -a -m 24

to be able to use the macro.

[esoestemp]

Hi stilloboy,

Could you please send me 3G winfiol commansds.txt to esoestemp@gmail.com, or upload on some place for download, because I do not have rights to download it from here?

10X

[stilloboy]

Assuming you have a call setup failure on a cell, and you want to find out the reason for the failure event, at RNC level issue the command

pmx utrancell=2661 pmnofailed -a -m 24

The output for site 2661 is


Object Counter
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedAfterAdm 219
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptExceedConnLimit 0
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlAse 0
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlChnlCode 0
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlHw 0
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlHwBest 0
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlPwr 0
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackUlAse 0
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackUlHw 0
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackUlHwBest 0
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRrcConnectReqCsHw 0
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRrcConnectReqHw 0
UtranCell=2661GA pmNoFailedRrcConnectReqPsHw 0
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedAfterAdm 233
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptExceedConnLimit 16
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlAse 0
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlChnlCode 0
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlHw 0
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlHwBest 0
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlPwr 0
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackUlAse 0
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackUlHw 0
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackUlHwBest 0
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRrcConnectReqCsHw 0
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRrcConnectReqHw 0
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedRrcConnectReqPsHw 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedAfterAdm 85
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptExceedConnLimit 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlAse 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlChnlCode 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlHw 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlHwBest 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackDlPwr 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackUlAse 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackUlHw 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRabEstAttemptLackUlHwBest 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRrcConnectReqCsHw 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRrcConnectReqHw 0
UtranCell=2661GC pmNoFailedRrcConnectReqPsHw 0

We can see that the call-setup failure reason for the cell 2661GB is seen from the counter

UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedAfterAdm 233

Usually, failure after admission by the RNC is due to poor radio environment. The first thing to check is if this cell B is overshooting. By issuing the following command at RBS level: pmx . pmpropagationdelay -a -m 24

you obtain the propagation delay for the 3 sectors. From this you can detect if any of the cell is overshooting.


How to identify on which site to run this command;

pmx . pmPropagationDelay -a -m 24

to be able to use the macro.

[zee86]

Assuming you have a call setup failure on a cell, and you want to find out the reason for the failure event, at RNC level issue the command

pmx utrancell=2661 pmnofailed -a -m 24

The output for site 2661 is


Object Counter
UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedAfterAdm 233

We can see that the call-setup failure reason for the cell 2661GB is seen from the counter

UtranCell=2661GB pmNoFailedAfterAdm 233

Usually, failure after admission by the RNC is due to poor radio environment. The first thing to check is if this cell B is overshooting. By issuing the following command at RBS level: pmx . pmpropagationdelay -a -m 24

you obtain the propagation delay for the 3 sectors. From this you can detect if any of the cell is overshooting.
there is any other reason to run this macro on the cell
means
how i know this site might be propogating on long distance if After Adm counter value fine

[zee86]

please share the XML Generator for E******* script

[Kevin Chen]

Hi bigorbi

Do you have the BusinessObject（B0），usually we use this software to collect the propagation delay25968

[vpn.ipcamera]

HELLO Kevin chen we are using BO DESKI also, can u share your template for this propagation delay?

Hi bigorbi

Do you have the BusinessObject（B0），usually we use this software to collect the propagation delay25968

[MASTuNDA]

Hi,

I have been searching for the same thing for quite sometime, Can you please send this at: u04203@yahoo.com
it appears I need to reputation to download the material.

plz ppl click on the reputation aswell.

much thanks

[MASTuNDA]

Hi bigorbi (http://www.finetopix.com/member.php?44870-bigorbi),

If the outcome is lying with you, can you please share the outcome look of this, perhaps i can use the result for access database..

much thanks in advance..


just create 2 txt files

1 is for all the ip addresses of nodeBs.

second one is for the propagation delay command like this :

lt all
pmx . pmpropagationdelay -m 1
rbs
q

save these 2 files and copy to your oss folder (maybe give names like ip.txt and propdelay.txt)...
the path is like this --> /home/yourossname

and then open terminal from oss and write this command :

mobatch ip.txt propdelay.txt


ip.txt should be like this be careful :

10.92.9.12
10.8.13.14
10.8.15.16
.
.
.
.
.



i hope i can explain it clearly.