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MINTO
2012-09-05, 12:00 AM
Dear All,

i think we should discuss our experience and salary rates of different countries and agency

it will help us

so what i know LTE rate ( what i hear )

1. Rates in korea 9-11k USD + accommodation & flights
2. Japan 9-11k USD + accommodation & flights
3. Saudi arabia 9-10k USD all inclusive

agencies : i heard from some frnds Penta always gives very less rates.

plz share ur exp.

madeira
2012-09-05, 12:59 AM
@Minto

which agency you recommended in each country?

SCHERIFFHELMY
2012-09-05, 01:44 AM
JUST KEEP AWAY FROM TANGENT ,
CONNECT44 is fine also Maeven are very good
Manning Global is not bad like tangent

jbada
2012-09-05, 02:02 AM
Salary rates depends on which country are you working. The higest in Europe and USA, but you have to pay TAX.

Good agency: LINK CONSULTING, MANING, FPG
I don't recommend to work with TANGENT delay in payment, not answer emails,...

redendo
2012-09-06, 01:30 AM
SNS is so bad mainly for those in Algeria, they gives very low rate and also are not serious at all.

khurrambilal01
2012-09-06, 03:27 AM
Erbil/Sulemania Iraq Rate:
2G Optimization: 7-8K USD + Accomodation +Visa.

South Africa
3G Optimization: 7-8KUSD all Inclusive +Visa

khurrambilal01
2012-09-06, 03:32 AM
I think this information is very useful for all of us, So please all friends share their knowledge about this topic in their regions.

Cepillo
2012-09-06, 03:34 AM
Salary rates depends on which country are you working. The higest in Europe and USA, but you have to pay TAX.

Good agency: LINK CONSULTING, MANING, FPG
I don't recommend to work with TANGENT delay in payment, not answer emails,...

I confirm that FPG good agency (my colleague have had a contract).

And i want to add Networkers to this list of good agency (easy timesheet w/o evaluate/rate estimate of your work).

You shouldn't have any problem of payments. It's my good experience )

NOT AD ))

MINTO
2012-09-06, 11:21 PM
I confirm that FPG good agency (my colleague have had a contract).

And i want to add Networkers to this list of good agency (easy timesheet w/o evaluate/rate estimate of your work).

You shouldn't have any problem of payments. It's my good experience )

NOT AD ))i also had a good experience with networkers ( rate u hv to negotiate)

& heard FPG , Morson are also good

cd0ekj
2012-09-09, 10:03 PM
what about rates in Germany? does any one have an idea?

jbada
2012-09-09, 11:54 PM
Rate in Germany 300-350 euros/day. Travel and accommodation is out

dmitry28
2012-09-10, 02:33 PM
Rate in Germany 300-350 euros/day. Travel and accommodation is out
What kind of company in Germany, you said

jbada
2012-09-10, 09:43 PM
Hi dmitry28,

In Germany companies like Vodafone, Huawei, E*******

tukangoptim
2012-09-10, 10:18 PM
Erbil/Sulemania Iraq Rate:
2G Optimization: 7-8K USD + Accomodation +Visa.

South Africa
3G Optimization: 7-8KUSD all Inclusive +Visa

South Africa 3G Optimization i heard from my friend is 9-10k USD, + visa.

baltoudi
2012-09-29, 12:55 PM
i might be the one who had a very bad experience with fpg...they did not work as per the agreed contract; air ticket deduction based on business class instead economy, no receipt of deduction, lesser rate than that the other agency paid to for the same position...
good thing: paid on time!

chenchunle
2012-10-06, 01:18 PM
So hard to find Erupo opportunity

andipunk
2012-10-16, 06:25 PM
i'm newbe
litening

white_Noise
2012-11-03, 12:33 AM
Dear All,

i think we should discuss our experience and salary rates of different countries and agency

it will help us

so what i know LTE rate ( what i hear )

1. Rates in korea 9-11k USD + accommodation & flights
2. Japan 9-11k USD + accommodation & flights
3. Saudi arabia 9-10k USD all inclusive

agencies : i heard from some frnds Penta always gives very less rates.

plz share ur exp.

For Oman the recent rates were 5-6k USD all Inclusive for 2G/3G Optimization..

ventinel
2012-11-03, 04:52 PM
i think aircom is very good

@Minto

which agency you recommended in each country?

venom
2012-11-03, 10:18 PM
All agencies are same - they make money out of you !!

I have worked with numerous agencies , currently with Project People in UK. I found them comparatively better.

Networkers aren't too bad but agencies do what client ask them to do. I haven't seen a single agency so far which keep their promises.

Maybe some agencies are good in prompt payments but other than that there is no big difference.

lteakif
2012-11-04, 12:44 PM
$50 per hour in US for various carriers as a contractor. At least 5 years optimization experience.

please add reputation

venom
2012-11-05, 10:04 PM
you are quoting a low rate . In US you can easily get up to $58 to $65 / hour on w2 with this much experience.

Remember E******* in USA don't pay good. Always better to get a contract in Operator than in vendor !!

NSN pay much better than E******* in USA. These days T-mobile USA has a 2G modernization project underway - You will get a good rates in it !

D33T0X
2012-11-07, 03:37 PM
Agents are scum, parasites with a kindergarten degree - I've been using them for a few years. Nowadays I'm contracting direct to end customer - at least I know nobody lies to me and takes 50% of the money.

Contracting rates: Germany - know a few guys @ 400EUR/day all inclusive.
Norway - 550 all inclusive but the country is extremely expensive
Switzerland - like Germany but that is very low for that country - very, very expensive.
UK - operators are paying better than suppliers - 400GBP vs 250-300 all in. But lots of work will come to that part of the planet soon so rates will go up.

mohsen_n777
2012-11-18, 05:39 PM
in kuwait 2-4k US per mounth

fouzan10
2012-11-18, 09:31 PM
KSA Rates vary to much. You can get the offer as less as 2000USD to as much as 11000USD. depends all on the experience plus LUCK. but most common rates are from 4k USD to 6k USD for guys with 4-5years exp....

ivanbrij
2012-11-21, 03:21 AM
Dear,

How the consultant can get a direct contract with the end client?

mfuysal
2012-12-07, 08:52 PM
What about rates in Qatar?

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2012-12-11, 01:41 PM
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jafs86
2012-12-17, 09:13 PM
In Spain (Europe) middle rates for 2/3 years of experienced are over 2000 Eur/month (all included)...

byja
2012-12-21, 10:02 PM
Anyone had experience with agency called IDPP in ME region? Just asking...

dtvt2
2012-12-25, 11:00 AM
what about rate in Thailand, Peru and Bangladesh ?
dtvt2

RFoptimizer
2012-12-26, 05:51 AM
The best rates are in Africa with operators till 500 euro/day.

Handover24
2012-12-26, 06:18 AM
The best rates are in Africa with operators till 500 euro/day.
A friend of mine in Venezuela takes about 500 euros/day but he is a Senior RF Engineer

electron2010
2012-12-26, 05:34 PM
Just keep away from FPG or you'll experience too much delay on your salary...Just a tip only..

leomalagar
2013-01-03, 11:53 AM
be careful with "ORDATEL GROUP"... they still owe me 3 months salary from work done in 2007.. no word until now from them... :-(

RFoptimizer
2013-01-25, 09:16 PM
In Middle East, please avoid Advacom, it is bad agency, they work especially with Huawei, low rate and you can get only the first contract, to renew, they will not give you any contract, they say already mentioned renewal in the first contract, you can be fired any time without any notice after the first contract.

angelpy
2013-01-30, 04:05 AM
What is the better agency for work in south america?

javiersapon
2013-01-30, 04:26 AM
Southamerica I now Elabram is OK, CommsResources is OK.

Morson, I have had problems with them... lower the rate for renovation and change the contract to local currency... not good at all... however they pay on time and always answer the emails.

indiaco
2013-01-30, 08:34 AM
In latinamerica I have worked with MSI, Elabram, and Link Consulting without problems.
By general rule you can have problems with agencies on things such as phone bills, airplane tickets, and accomodation (not to mention delay on payments). You are better off negotiating an all inclusive rate and then getting what you need by yourself.
All agencies mentioned above U can trust.

B.R.

indiaco
2013-02-01, 07:07 AM
Dude, I don't know what are you smoking, but you should share some of that...

madeira
2013-02-02, 08:26 AM
In brazil remopt is a great agency...

Rotorhead
2013-02-03, 08:00 AM
Dear All,

i think we should discuss our experience and salary rates of different countries and agency

it will help us

so what i know LTE rate ( what i hear )

1. Rates in korea 9-11k USD + accommodation & flights
2. Japan 9-11k USD + accommodation & flights
3. Saudi arabia 9-10k USD all inclusive

agencies : i heard from some frnds Penta always gives very less rates.

plz share ur exp.

Penta are generally ok, stay the hell away from Tangent, they will screw you from both sides.

Ahmed Adel
2013-02-21, 10:31 PM
hi all,

what about 2G optimization rates at Libya?

theoptimizer
2013-02-21, 11:08 PM
For LTE in Saudi Arbaia you can get 9.5 - 11k$ if you have overall 5+ years of experience

Handover24
2013-02-22, 06:47 AM
hi all,

what about 2G optimization rates at Libya?

Not less than 500 euros a day but never been there ( just some interviews on the phone for that )

smartel
2013-02-26, 04:54 AM
Hi all,
I looking for my first contract, I have over 15 years in telecom and 9 in RF. I don't made a mistake, can you explaine me what does mean all inclusive for one contract? I applied for one position at Console with all inclusive and after I ask you about accomodation they tood me only flight tichet is included, I'm a litle confuse...., can some body help me?BR

Cepillo
2013-02-26, 05:07 AM
all inclusive means : meal, accomodation, transfer, local transfer, SIM, laptop, visa fee, benefit, so on . you ought to negotiate your extra costs (+1,5k).

smartel
2013-02-26, 05:20 AM
Then they try me if accept only with flying tichets :@, can you give me more hints for EU speaking :( ?

smartel
2013-03-03, 06:52 PM
Hi, can share somebody from their contracts experience ? I saw, here are many people which are interested about that. BR

MINTO
2013-03-03, 07:19 PM
Hi, can share somebody from their contracts experience ? I saw, here are many people which are interested about that. BR
as per my view...offcourse u get more money in contract then permanent job..and working for e******* is best then NSN then operator then huawei..if ur agency is bad they will eat a lot of money (so try to get a good agency )...dont expect credits for your work and always have a good relation with manager.

smartel
2013-03-04, 04:05 AM
Until now I have only at phone discutions for one contract , usulay if I agree with the conditions next step will be the techical interview or this discustion is consider an interview? I'm a little confusion , can somebody help me? BR

D33T0X
2013-03-05, 03:41 AM
Hi smartel,

Probably you've discussed your contract with an agency. That is worth nothing, they just want to see how much money they get for you before sending your cv to the end customer. After that come interview, etc. I saw as well that you are confused about all inclusive contracts. All inclusive mean you pay everything from your own pocket (including taxes) so it is important to negotiate a rate that takes all expenses into account (add to what you would charge for your work accomodation, taxes, transport, food). Normally the first month as a contractor is heavy as you will probably have lots of expenses (hotel, etc) - it is important to get an agency that pays in time to recover quickly from the initial loss you always make in the beginning of a contract. If they pay with delays you're in trouble.

I hope this helps

smartel
2013-03-05, 04:45 AM
Hi smartel,

Probably you've discussed your contract with an agency. That is worth nothing, they just want to see how much money they get for you before sending your cv to the end customer. After that come interview, etc. I saw as well that you are confused about all inclusive contracts. All inclusive mean you pay everything from your own pocket (including taxes) so it is important to negotiate a rate that takes all expenses into account (add to what you would charge for your work accomodation, taxes, transport, food). Normally the first month as a contractor is heavy as you will probably have lots of expenses (hotel, etc) - it is important to get an agency that pays in time to recover quickly from the initial loss you always make in the beginning of a contract. If they pay with delays you're in trouble. hope this helps

Yes, very interesting what you say, for a rate at 3-400 per day, 6-8k per month, in more EU country the salary taxes are around 25% that mean 4.5-6k per month, - accommodation ~1k, food 5-600, and 2-300 extra expenses, result 2.5-3.5k net money, right? Please correct me if I mistake. I they will pay the taxes (like a normal firm) then net salary will be somewhere beatween 4-5.5k .

D33T0X
2013-03-05, 09:42 PM
Correct, so please be careful when signing :)

MINTO
2013-03-05, 09:53 PM
Yes, very interesting what you say, for a rate at 3-400 per day, 6-8k per month, in more EU country the salary taxes are around 25% that mean 4.5-6k per month, - accommodation ~1k, food 5-600, and 2-300 extra expenses, result 2.5-3.5k net money, right? Please correct me if I mistake. I they will pay the taxes (like a normal firm) then net salary will be somewhere beatween 4-5.5k .i think rate is less...check ur market //how much others are getting

smartel
2013-03-05, 09:57 PM
Correct, so please be careful when signing :)

Tks a lot. Do you meet firms which paid for you salary taxes?BR

smartel
2013-03-05, 10:03 PM
Yes, depend of your market. In EU usually I saw ~3-400 per day.But again, I don't know if is with or without taxes.If is without taxes, a good option is to stay at home :D

smartel
2013-03-12, 11:37 PM
Hi all,

Heard somebody about IDPP recruiting company. Any review pls. BR

radio56
2013-03-13, 03:50 AM
Good news... Currently Kuwait has some openings....

smartel
2013-03-16, 07:16 PM
?Do you have any contacts from there?

javierinfante
2013-03-17, 08:51 AM
I'm agree with you, Networkers, Manning are good ones, I want to add Comms Resources, I have been working with them many times in several countries and Ive neve had any problem with payments or contracts.
And yo should avoid Tangent, and Connect44, both are shit.

smartel
2013-03-18, 03:47 AM
I'm agree with you, Networkers, Manning are good ones, I want to add Comms Resources, I have been working with them many times in several countries and Ive neve had any problem with payments or contracts.
And yo should avoid Tangent, and Connect44, both are shit.

Can you tell me if the consulting firms are looking only after low rate engineers? Do you negociate until now, accomodation or one bonus for accomodation in first month? BR

salem57
2013-03-20, 01:55 PM
Does anyone know bt rate for expat & local in Thailand? & Which is the recommended agency? Thanks in advance.

javierinfante
2013-03-20, 04:29 PM
Well lets clarify something first, when I apply for a posiiton I know the details (conditins, salary rate..etc), if the conditions are not shown in the advert I send an email asking for details.
Consulting firms always try to get the most commission they can, so it means less rate for the engineer, but at this point is the engineer who should think if interested or not, sometimes I receive calls from agencies that just found my details from any recomendation or webpage and I let them know what I want and this way nobody loose time.
The negotiation just depend in the salary rate, sometimes the rate isn't good enought so I ask for accomodation.

zaynedine
2013-03-31, 05:22 AM
hello all, how about in dubai or in uae.

malik.ahsan
2013-04-10, 06:58 PM
Can some one please tell me 2G 3G rate in Tanzania and what the most you can get ? thank you.

Raymon
2013-04-16, 04:22 AM
HI, do you know something about ARCA TELCOM and/or DIGITELig? are they good companies?.
Please, tell me at least what you heard about them!!!
thanks!!!

MINTO
2013-04-16, 05:15 AM
Never heard of them....they are active in which area??

Raymon
2013-04-16, 04:32 PM
Hi guys, I need some suggests about Spain companies ARCA TELECOM and DIGITEL Ingenieria de Gestion! can somebody tell me something about them????
thanks

Rotorhead
2013-04-19, 05:45 AM
As a rule of thumb, rates worldwide are 450 euros per day. It varies a little for some countries. Accept less and you drive it down for everyone. That is all inclusive, so you have to pay for everything yourself, particularly taxes, which on average will be 35% plus.

MINTO
2013-04-21, 11:11 AM
As a rule of thumb, rates worldwide are 450 euros per day. It varies a little for some countries. Accept less and you drive it down for everyone. That is all inclusive, so you have to pay for everything yourself, particularly taxes, which on average will be 35% plus. well nowadays people are accepting 6-7k all inclusive package's ( which didnt mean vendor or operators are paying less,its the agencies which are making money)... because of these few peoples everybody is going to suffer.

toajaz@gmail.com
2013-04-23, 05:09 AM
need to know abt salary in Dubai and Abu Dhabi for 2g/3g drive test engg, DT Analyzer , and 2g/3g optimizer

Jherrera0
2013-04-25, 07:45 AM
I had bad experience with an agency called PRITHVI from India. Still owing me one entire month of salary. I lost that money. No answer calls neither e.mails.

javierinfante
2013-04-25, 03:03 PM
Hi. Im from Spain and I've never listen anything about that companies, and I worked for Telefonica, Vodafone and Orange in Madrid.
regards

baby2
2013-04-27, 12:45 AM
well nowadays people are accepting 6-7k all inclusive package's ( which didnt mean vendor or operators are paying less,its the agencies which are making money)... because of these few peoples everybody is going to suffer.

Now agency link FPG or TG ,they always deduct about 15-20% from vendor who will pay you.

As you said if you acceptable for 7k USD rate ,meaning vendor like HW or E// or NSN will pay for agency 7k*1.15 (for 15%) = 8050 USD.

Note: 7k USD that you get you have to pay for management free ,transfer fee,bra bra bra.

Hope it will helpful

MINTO
2013-04-29, 12:03 PM
Now agency link FPG or TG ,they always deduct about 15-20% from vendor who will pay you.

As you said if you acceptable for 7k USD rate ,meaning vendor like HW or E// or NSN will pay for agency 7k*1.15 (for 15%) = 8050 USD.

Note: 7k USD that you get you have to pay for management free ,transfer fee,bra bra bra.

Hope it will helpful
thats the case if agecny is transparent.....i have seen many PO myself and the contracts also...many agency also deduct 40-45% commission ( neither candidate or vendor knows abut this).....let me put my example ...my agency was eating 34% commission ( i have seen my invoice given by agency to vendor).

MINTO
2013-04-29, 12:04 PM
I had bad experience with an agency called PRITHVI from India. Still owing me one entire month of salary. I lost that money. No answer calls neither e.mails. they are very bad agency most of the time never pays last month salary

Vladislav
2013-05-25, 05:49 AM
I'm agree with you, Networkers, Manning are good ones, I want to add Comms Resources, I have been working with them many times in several countries and Ive neve had any problem with payments or contracts.
And yo should avoid Tangent, and Connect44, both are shit.

Hi,
I cannot agree with you. I had been work through Connect44 in one of my projects and everything was OK - payments and support.
Also I suggest to add FPG to the list of the trustful agencies. I worked with them twice.

indiaco
2013-05-28, 06:24 AM
they are very bad agency most of the time never pays last month salary

Yeap, also happened to a friend of mine in Brazil.... Not to trust those (PRITHVI ) guys !!

rkdrkd
2013-05-28, 03:01 PM
Yeap, also happened to a friend of mine in Brazil.... Not to trust those (PRITHVI ) guys !!
can you please tell us exactly what type of problem haapened., one should know

indiaco
2013-05-28, 11:45 PM
Same thing man, they didn't pay the last month of the contract, and they had no office within the country where to go knock on the door...
Just don't take any contracts with them.

B.R.

N.

kyokuman
2013-05-31, 05:58 PM
Hi,

i have bad experience with FPG, they modified my CV before sending to their customer. During interview, I realized they have added some experience with vendors I never deal with..
Never work with ORDATEL, they don't pay. Many friends still waiting for their last month(s) salaries.

Do you work directly with agencies? Or do you use Management companies more flexible with sending money? If so, which ones are you using, and what are the rate?

a19997104
2013-08-06, 12:48 PM
nextel project sucks in any country!!
:mad:

Southamerica I now Elabram is OK, CommsResources is OK.

Morson, I have had problems with them... lower the rate for renovation and change the contract to local currency... not good at all... however they pay on time and always answer the emails.

madeira
2013-08-07, 07:52 AM
I agree... Nextel is terrible!

patek1968
2013-08-07, 04:14 PM
any new opening abroad?

uchok
2013-08-09, 08:49 PM
Is anyone ever experience with LinkConsulting agency?
If yes, how is their rate and do they pay you on time?

ricardo.leon77
2013-08-26, 08:35 AM
oh i thought nextel was great :/

Weiland86
2013-08-26, 12:14 PM
Nextel projects are shit...

wireless_houss
2013-08-29, 12:09 AM
Hi
i have bad experience with FPG, they cheat on the contract(the isn't clear enough)
their goal is only to gain mony from customer and also from you

khurrambilal01
2013-08-29, 04:13 PM
Have anybody experience with Glorec? They are working in Africa/South Africa.

alainko
2013-08-30, 11:33 AM
Very bad experience with FPG as well, they just take money on you, my agent was horrible did not get any support.

pyrague2010
2013-08-31, 06:38 AM
in Brazil RF senior

aircom /networkoers/remopt/ celplan 7,5 K$Ds /month all inclusives ,14% tax - and is expensive

first point is better

chile 9-11 kU$Ds /month

argentina 9-11 kU$Ds /month



mexico 10-12 KU$Ds

pyrague2010
2013-08-31, 06:39 AM
celcite and nsn are working with FPG

plrodrigues
2013-09-02, 07:59 PM
Hi,

Are the Chile, Mexico, Argentina also all inclusive?


BR,



in Brazil RF senior

aircom /networkoers/remopt/ celplan 7,5 K$Ds /month all inclusives ,14% tax - and is expensive

first point is better

chile 9-11 kU$Ds /month

argentina 9-11 kU$Ds /month



mexico 10-12 KU$Ds

khurrambilal01
2013-09-08, 08:19 PM
What about Advacom? Are they reliable? What about the deduction/salary transferred in time? Do they pay good?

abhyuday
2013-09-10, 06:01 PM
how are the pay rates in UK ?

Does pay rate depend upon experience & skill set??

alainko
2013-09-11, 01:00 AM
Depends for what job ... a RF senior can get between 300 and 400 GBP minus taxes...
Yes if you are really an expert in your field and it s hard to find manpower, but for basic Planning optimization not so much.


how are the pay rates in UK ?

Does pay rate depend upon experience & skill set??

incoincov
2013-09-18, 09:17 PM
I have very bad experience with Consol Partnerthers (rude and arrogant agent) and FPG (not serious and unreliable)

RFoptimizer
2013-09-19, 10:45 PM
I had bad experience with Advacom in Middle East, they didn't pay me my last salary and they have no clear communication, I don't suggest to work with them.

khurrambilal01
2013-09-21, 04:36 AM
Commsresources are good, they give you good rate, deduct less Management fee & consultancy fee around 15%, FPGA deducts 20% fee plus management fee around 400$,Networkers deduct 20% plus 500-600 management fee as well.Penta pay more rates but they don't pay you in time.

taomomteling
2013-10-12, 03:28 AM
SNS is so bad mainly for those in Algeria, they gives very low rate and also are not serious at all.

Yes, i do really agree with You. they have not been paying their employee for more than 6 months, until they sent an official complain to the top management of their customer.

smartel
2013-10-23, 04:27 AM
Hi all,
Somebody heard about Manning Global, it's a serious firm, they pay in time?
I speak with they about one contract for Huawei, and tell me about a rule, in each month of contract they take feeadback from project owner and can penalty your sallary is is not ok. It's a usually rule?
For all inclusive what is the aprox. rate for germany, they don't want pay more then 400eur/day - 10 years experienc?After interview if you was admited you can renegociate the rate if you agreed before?
BR

christine
2013-10-23, 01:12 PM
hello all,
is there from Indonesia at this forum?
let me to introduce my self.
I'm working as an OSS engineer 1 year,
and rite now as a 3G RF Optimization 1 year.
believe or not, butit's the fact, in my country telecom engineers are paid cheaper than other country
FYI, Indonesia is the most operator telecomunication number country in the world.
working here, we're not apreciated yet.
my salary here of an agency is only 600K / month
working here requires high skills, high work load.
but the salary such as a waitress salary.
that's why many Indonesian telecom engineer who took the decision to pursue a career in another country, either asia, europe, america and australia as well. if there is a chance to get a slot in the overseas project I was very pleased.
:)

alainko
2013-10-24, 11:11 AM
Hi all,
Somebody heard about Manning Global, it's a serious firm, they pay in time?
I speak with they about one contract for Huawei, and tell me about a rule, in each month of contract they take feeadback from project owner and can penalty your sallary is is not ok. It's a usually rule?
For all inclusive what is the aprox. rate for germany, they don't want pay more then 400eur/day - 10 years experienc?After interview if you was admited you can renegociate the rate if you agreed before?
BR
Hi Smartel,
This is a shame !!! I know Manning they are ok, the problem is HUA as usual... they will always try to cheat on you and then will fire you... I have more 15 years contracting, worked 3 times for HUA and will never work anymore for this company. Chinese managers are really pathetic and arrogant as well.
400 euros (in the best case) is ridiculous, try to find a contract with a real vendor like E// or NSN but not HUA. Also don t forget consultant are just slaves for them... Any questions do not hesitate to ask me

smartel
2013-10-24, 05:53 PM
Hi Alainko, thanks a lot. Can you give me some tricks for negotiations, in private if you want... BR

pia11
2013-10-26, 05:06 AM
Although I have not worked directly with Manningglobal, I did not get any negative feedback for them. About the rule for penalty, first time I hear. Some contracts have test period (say 2 months) and if the customer does not like your job, they can optionally finish the contract after this 2 months. But first time I hear about decreasing rate depending on performance. May be that is a tactic to lower your cost over the time.

smartel
2013-11-08, 04:10 PM
Hi Pia11, thanks for your issues, for Rize do you have any information? BR

brens
2013-11-13, 04:04 AM
Hi

Does anyone know of work in Australia?Field engineer with E******* experience. What are rates and who is taking on?

Thanks in advance.

pia1
2013-11-13, 07:27 PM
Sorry I don't have any info about Rize.

smartel
2013-11-15, 04:32 AM
Alainko, tell me please, after negotiation with recruiting consultant, follow the interview. After this interview what is happen, another one or you can sign the contract?

dext
2013-11-15, 07:19 PM
In Iran also the rates are not that good ,2G RF Optimization 4k USD excluding visa / flight / accommodation VRC Consultings. but ya timely payments were there.

dext
2013-11-15, 07:22 PM
Hi Smartel,
This is a shame !!! I know Manning they are ok, the problem is HUA as usual... they will always try to cheat on you and then will fire you... I have more 15 years contracting, worked 3 times for HUA and will never work anymore for this company. Chinese managers are really pathetic and arrogant as well.
400 euros (in the best case) is ridiculous, try to find a contract with a real vendor like E// or NSN but not HUA. Also don t forget consultant are just slaves for them... Any questions do not hesitate to ask me


Agreed , HUA is pathetic in term of consultancy.

scorpion
2013-11-15, 09:13 PM
Hi Guys,

How about RIZE ? What are the rates they are offering and is it good ?

pia1
2013-11-15, 11:31 PM
Networkersplc is looking for Rollout Project Manager for E******* in Turkey for a permanent position (I guess Turkish is required). Below is the rate and extras for the position.

Will be based on experience and skills but the range is 80-100k USD annual salary (gross) + %15 incentive + side benefits (company car+health insurance+mobile phone

alainko
2013-11-16, 04:18 AM
The agency will call you back if the client is ok to hire you, and they will issue the contract. Most of time one interview is enough...
About Rize I think they are ok never heard any complains. Usually UK agencies are ok and pay on time.



Alainko, tell me please, after negotiation with recruiting consultant, follow the interview. After this interview what is happen, another one or you can sign the contract?

M.Sobar.Muslim
2013-11-24, 04:20 PM
How about commsresources?

byja
2013-12-05, 05:15 PM
Any ideas on what the daily rates would be for a transmission planner in Kurdistan?
A friend got an offer which is rather low, particularly knowing that it's not the safest place around.

adedia
2013-12-17, 06:20 PM
It's a good thread.


Well market is changing in a way of keeping money out of the vendors, fortunately not in the amount of PO,


As a guideline the business works like this . In average vendor will charge operator ~30% margin on resource. Agency will take in average another 30%. I said average because this is apply for the beginner.The one with consulting experience can always squeeze it.
Now then you can figure it out why direct contract with client is always pays better.


Rates will vary depending on your years of experience. But as general rules if you choose to go for a consulting experience do not accept any offer less than 7k nett a month. The rest depend on your negotiation skills. Remember you have 30% windows of negotiation. And this is only initial.
If you've got low offer is either the agency try to ripped you off. Or simply your current skill set isn't sufficient.Or a newbie.

Once you take the project, being known and take the lead. Well sky is limit.


The unfortunate things are nowadays telco's business landscape is changing.So you'll see a lot or merger and acquisition to strengthen one position.
For us this meant less consulting jobs. Since any vendor will prefer internal resource (GSC, GSRC or GNOC) before going for a consultant. This doesn't mean the contract value is less. I've seen contract value flying around with pretty much the same values 5-10 years ago. But for vendors is just moving money from left to right pocket without losing it to external party (agency)


The last part this might not be surprising the one putting the pressure on salary offering is actually engineer coming from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (no offence guys).
I've heard and known myself these people are accepting offers as low as 2k USD all inclusive.
And not surprisingly as well in one of the vendor the rate for Chinese Global resource is always twice from the one coming from India. If Sr engineer coming from china valued at 50$ per hour their indian counterpart with the same position in the same company are valued at max.30$ per hour. in average its only 22.And your local manager in india are fully aware of this, in fact they take this advantage to made a name for themselves :) and move up rank internally.


So for those coming from this region. Kindly just look at general rules above.

@All. Its true that if you goes with huawei there is penalty on the payment if you are under performed. Well this shouldn't be the case with this forum member isn't it. And as dext stated the level of management/operation in huawei (in asia, MEA at least ) is a mess

@Christine. i've been to indonesia, as indonesian keep moving up your expertise. I've known many indonesian with 5k USD all inclusive locally
@byja. Yes kurdistan is iraq autonomous region. Its the most safest area there.

well if you need to know more i'm just a PM away ;)

oldcream
2013-12-22, 05:08 PM
Hi everybody,
I'm a young Telco Engineer, graduated on October 2013 at the Politecnico of Turin, Italy.
Now I'm looking for a job, but i have several problems.
The big companies has a low number of job position for young graduate and entry level.
The consultancy agencies searching only for experienced people, over than 3 years.

How I can find a job outside italy?
Here the offers received was about 500 €/months in a 6 months stage contract.
The rate spoken about Germany is correct, the same for the Holland companies.

I want to try abroad, expecially in Canada, because i have the citizenship.
What could you suggest me?
Thx

Marco

khurrambilal01
2013-12-23, 04:44 PM
Hi everybody,
I'm a young Telco Engineer, graduated on October 2013 at the Politecnico of Turin, Italy.
Now I'm looking for a job, but i have several problems.
The big companies has a low number of job position for young graduate and entry level.
The consultancy agencies searching only for experienced people, over than 3 years.

How I can find a job outside italy?
Here the offers received was about 500 €/months in a 6 months stage contract.
The rate spoken about Germany is correct, the same for the Holland companies.

I want to try abroad, expecially in Canada, because i have the citizenship.
What could you suggest me?
Thx

Marco

Better to have some exposure and experience first, otherwise once you enter in consultancy field you might face a lot of issues, Because customer will ask so many things/issues that you never faced or don't know how to tackle...

pia1
2014-01-17, 06:18 PM
LTE network planning and optimization engineer position - 2 weeks - Israel
NSN/E******* LTE experience required.
They mentioned the rate as 5500USD all inclusive. I believe you can ask accomodation as extra since I believe they should help for accomodation, otherwise 2 days of 2weeks will waste for accomodation arrangements etc.
I don't have any experience with gruponorconsulting but if you are interested you can contact with below email.
estela@gruponorconsulting.com

paulus
2014-01-21, 12:03 PM
Hi Guys..

Any opening offer in your country?

I want to do project outside my country, get more experience there... :D:D

Thanks
PCS

Juan3G
2014-01-31, 04:02 AM
Has anyone heard of Juniper?, have an offer with them and i don´t know anyone who has. Any comments would be helpful for my final decision.

Thanks

Juan3G
2014-01-31, 04:05 AM
And Jumplean? also have an offer from them and want to know a little about the company. Thanks a lot

thevandalsfan101
2014-03-05, 05:57 PM
I work in the US as a Project manager our RF Drivers make from 15-20 USD plus milage.

John.musckrat
2014-03-05, 06:17 PM
that doesn't seem like a lot vandals

thevandalsfan101
2014-03-05, 06:17 PM
Its not right now we are a up and coming company so its low pay right now

Mattm211
2014-03-10, 09:03 AM
I work in the US as a Project manager our RF Drivers make from 15-20 USD plus milage.

15-20 is the range I'm always offered. I've only got 20/hr salary (+car/hotel/per diem) once for a 3 month gig. I spent 4 years at 15/hr salary (+car/hotel/NO per diem) before that. Last time i tried to find projects no one even paid for hotel, so they only wanted locals. I've been told I'm overqualified for some, turns out they only wanted to pay 9-10/hour. In the last 6 years, I've been offered over 20/hr twice and they wanted me to use my own laptop and car..wasn't happening.

ouedraogo2d
2014-04-11, 10:34 PM
I confirm that FPG good agency (my colleague have had a contract).

And i want to add Networkers to this list of good agency (easy timesheet w/o evaluate/rate estimate of your work).

You shouldn't have any problem of payments. It's my good experience )

NOT AD ))

Hi bro,
I need to have all recruitements companies adress (internet site)
Thanks.

vaampeere
2014-05-24, 01:48 AM
Commsresources are good, they give you good rate, deduct less Management fee & consultancy fee around 15%, FPGA deducts 20% fee plus management fee around 400$,Networkers deduct 20% plus 500-600 management fee as well.Penta pay more rates but they don't pay you in time.

Good discussion.One thing I want to point out is that it also depends on the nationality that is the client going for.Visa costs, time delays in getting to certain regions are all what some companies are not looking for with their clients.The 15-20% is the norm these days for recruiters.They are in this business to make something out of it.But I think the honest practice would be that they should manage upfront their interest percentage as most legal documents declare.Not showing it means that they can do as they please, as you are not interacting with the client for money matters directly.

Another trend these days is also for Hw// managers to jump in directly after interview for rates, after you have already discussed with the agency.Once I was also asked by a Chinese managers (secretly in email) after two initial successful interviews, to bunk the agency and join them directly and if I didn't want to join permanently, then no need to reply to the email !.

I was a bit amateur back, got shocked then and scared to go directly into it (apart from more ethical concerns as well).I told the UK based agency, who thanked me, but eventually I had the contract postponed and eventually nulled.

rffreeconsult
2014-06-01, 02:50 AM
The HW tries to lowball and undercut other manufacturers and also the services companies and agencies. What they are doing is beneficial to HW but harmful to the whole industry as a whole. Use your sound judgement & common sense when dealing & working w/ HW. If they do not respect the contractual terms, it will be up to u to deal, no agency will step in. Beware of that.

vaampeere
2014-06-25, 12:45 AM
thanks for the infos.

One Other thing is that apart from the vendors, the International recruitment agencies are also upto no good.There is a continuos struggle from the operators and vendors to hire directly, which is having the business taken away by some recruitment agencies of UK.

I recently went through a horrible time with 'Networkers International Plc' and would like to beware all others to be very cautious with them.They seem to be having no process of management or proper financial personnel and are now operating on the basis of getting money from the client, and then paying you.If the client doesn't pay on time, they neither pay you, but also when the months pay get accumulated, also start not to indulge in any affair AT ALL.It almost felt as if I was left on my own to deal with the operator.From the operator viewpoint, Networkers international PLC was not a professional outfit as they had taken an advance in the beginning and were not paying it forward.It was a mess and the account manager from their side was pretty rude and unprofessional in his behaviour towards the client as well as me..just uttering that 'since he is not getting anything from this account..he had no interest as well' (!).I was just about to bring a legal lawsuit even If I had to travel all the way to UK for it.No phone number/email of financial head, no phone number/email of HR heads, no Phone number/email of Global acquisition were provided and when asked, told that they were not dealing in these issues.It was only after a lot of pleading with the operator that the situation begin to get under control.

I think it is always better to expose such people who are almost starting to do fraud on the base of their clients.Also remember that Networkers MSB and Networkers International PLC are TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES now.While the previous one is still holding a credibility..the latter one is utter rubbish.

torogilee
2014-06-25, 05:51 PM
My last two agent Networkers PLC and Commsresources pays on time for salaries. Most of the agent now offers all inclusive package.

vaampeere
2014-06-25, 07:19 PM
My last two agent Networkers PLC and Commsresources pays on time for salaries. Most of the agent now offers all inclusive package.

Its good to hear this torogilee and many do get on with this agency in other contracts.Its only when things start to go a tad bad that the real help/support really matters.I saw one other guy, in the same situation as me with Penta, and he was not discontinued for any month, while Networkers International PLC just discontinued the payments altogether and started forcing me to push the client on financial issues.It also depends on what Account manager you get, and whether they are actually paying from themselves or not.If its a big vendor or someone they have been doing business for long..usually they pay from their own, but otherwise no.Also many of these agencies will also lie about being in business with said operator for long..but when you reach the ground field, you come to know that they never knew them at all!

ivankokorin
2014-06-25, 08:51 PM
Hi bro
Is there any data on Russia $-?

FrankieHR
2014-08-08, 08:22 AM
Hi guys, I just wanted to ask some of you that already have been working on contract, is it normal that initially is signed short few-weeks contract like some probationary period and if it passes with success than main contract is presented for signing?

justdream
2014-08-08, 05:02 PM
Hi guys, I just wanted to ask some of you that already have been working on contract, is it normal that initially is signed short few-weeks contract like some probationary period and if it passes with success than main contract is presented for signing?

Yes, it's normal

mikejones55555
2014-08-10, 04:54 PM
JUST KEEP AWAY FROM TANGENT ,
CONNECT44 is fine also Maeven are very good
Manning Global is not bad like tangent

I agree stay away from TANGENT

scorpion
2014-08-10, 06:49 PM
RYGON also same....but more worse , the treat all resources as their slaves...and force them to work by threatening..


One Other thing is that apart from the vendors, the International recruitment agencies are also upto no good.There is a continuos struggle from the operators and vendors to hire directly, which is having the business taken away by some recruitment agencies of UK.

I recently went through a horrible time with 'Networkers International Plc' and would like to beware all others to be very cautious with them.They seem to be having no process of management or proper financial personnel and are now operating on the basis of getting money from the client, and then paying you.If the client doesn't pay on time, they neither pay you, but also when the months pay get accumulated, also start not to indulge in any affair AT ALL.It almost felt as if I was left on my own to deal with the operator.From the operator viewpoint, Networkers international PLC was not a professional outfit as they had taken an advance in the beginning and were not paying it forward.It was a mess and the account manager from their side was pretty rude and unprofessional in his behaviour towards the client as well as me..just uttering that 'since he is not getting anything from this account..he had no interest as well' (!).I was just about to bring a legal lawsuit even If I had to travel all the way to UK for it.No phone number/email of financial head, no phone number/email of HR heads, no Phone number/email of Global acquisition were provided and when asked, told that they were not dealing in these issues.It was only after a lot of pleading with the operator that the situation begin to get under control.

I think it is always better to expose such people who are almost starting to do fraud on the base of their clients.Also remember that Networkers MSB and Networkers International PLC are TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES now.While the previous one is still holding a credibility..the latter one is utter rubbish.

tlbn06
2014-08-11, 03:51 PM
linkedin rules in turkey

visible
2014-09-05, 02:24 AM
Don't ever try Networkers International,very bad agent,,,they cheat too much.Stay away.


One Other thing is that apart from the vendors, the International recruitment agencies are also upto no good.There is a continuos struggle from the operators and vendors to hire directly, which is having the business taken away by some recruitment agencies of UK.

I recently went through a horrible time with 'Networkers International Plc' and would like to beware all others to be very cautious with them.They seem to be having no process of management or proper financial personnel and are now operating on the basis of getting money from the client, and then paying you.If the client doesn't pay on time, they neither pay you, but also when the months pay get accumulated, also start not to indulge in any affair AT ALL.It almost felt as if I was left on my own to deal with the operator.From the operator viewpoint, Networkers international PLC was not a professional outfit as they had taken an advance in the beginning and were not paying it forward.It was a mess and the account manager from their side was pretty rude and unprofessional in his behaviour towards the client as well as me..just uttering that 'since he is not getting anything from this account..he had no interest as well' (!).I was just about to bring a legal lawsuit even If I had to travel all the way to UK for it.No phone number/email of financial head, no phone number/email of HR heads, no Phone number/email of Global acquisition were provided and when asked, told that they were not dealing in these issues.It was only after a lot of pleading with the operator that the situation begin to get under control.

I think it is always better to expose such people who are almost starting to do fraud on the base of their clients.Also remember that Networkers MSB and Networkers International PLC are TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES now.While the previous one is still holding a credibility..the latter one is utter rubbish.

beweka
2014-09-08, 04:42 PM
Woow your salary very big than my salary in Indonesia :(

taitran
2014-11-18, 03:49 PM
@visible: Many thank for your sharing.

Abdo12
2014-12-02, 02:16 AM
what about rates in Germany? does any one have an idea?

Critter
2014-12-06, 10:16 PM
Its good to hear this torogilee and many do get on with this agency in other contracts.Its only when things start to go a tad bad that the real help/support really matters.I saw one other guy, in the same situation as me with Penta, and he was not discontinued for any month, while Networkers International PLC just discontinued the payments altogether and started forcing me to push the client on financial issues.It also depends on what Account manager you get, and whether they are actually paying from themselves or not.If its a big vendor or someone they have been doing business for long..usually they pay from their own, but otherwise no.Also many of these agencies will also lie about being in business with said operator for long..but when you reach the ground field, you come to know that they never knew them at all!

Old posting, but I needto add MyCom North America to the bad list. You will get paid your wage, but expenses get later and later. Your expenses will hit $4,000 before you realize that there is an issue. Again, wage is different. I had to go to court in California. I won but others lost as they moved the office to Georgia. They had to move from California aa drive-by building shootings was being reported.

Now this is if you are contracted for them and not hired. Since they have been shrinking in size due to less work.

FYI

solari
2014-12-09, 09:32 AM
your salary very big

Critter
2014-12-10, 11:56 AM
I don't think anybody is making huge. We are like Hamsters in the wheel. Still I love my work. DAS Master here, yep... I am DAS Engineer extrodinaire

stilloboy
2015-01-15, 12:46 AM
Guys, has anyone had any experience with Tangent International? Please share your experience. I have a friend who is considering taking an offer from them for implementation manager role with E*******.

Teeshia
2015-01-27, 07:34 PM
I confirm that FPG good agency (my colleague have had a contract).

And i want to add Networkers to this list of good agency (easy timesheet w/o evaluate/rate estimate of your work).

You shouldn't have any problem of payments. It's my good experience )

NOT AD ))



I would like to recommend Networkers and FPG also. Key point is pay on time . rate need to negotiation.

Teeshia
2015-01-27, 07:41 PM
too law ,don't take the position. keep the market health.